tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post3147305065868880786..comments2024-03-04T00:09:50.431-08:00Comments on Rikdad's Comic Thoughts: The Black Glove's PlanRikdadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-87430258357204003242009-07-22T15:33:41.152-07:002009-07-22T15:33:41.152-07:00I've been stewing on the "what if the pri...I've been stewing on the "what if the prior attempts (mayhew, monk) had killed Batman?"/ruined Hurt's plan questions, and I think there's a more satisfactory answer - <br /><br />Hurt had to be sure that Batman was worth the trouble. <br /><br />If Batman had fallen in any of these seemingly lackluster attempts to kill him, the Danse Macabre would've been a waste of time anyway. <br /><br />Lane and the Monk both wanted to convey a message to Batman as well as kill him, a message about their dark master. That is the real curiousity to me.Lance Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07832771514649505151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-55464106379217291932009-07-16T09:23:58.050-07:002009-07-16T09:23:58.050-07:00I don't think it's literally that Bruce ha...I don't think it's literally that Bruce had named his back-up personality Z.E.A. or even expected to BE that person. It seems Z.E.A. was designed to drive Bruce mad and Bruce just happened to have a contingency that deals with it. Like, hypothetically let's say Hurt had implanted another phrase, Mary Poppins, that caused Bruce to go insane and believe he was Mary Poppins... Bruce's mental contingency backup would kick in and even though he's still running around like Mary Poppins, at least he's still in control. So it's more like ZEA wasn't the actual backup, but the backfire as a result of the mental backup.<br /><br />Now... trying to tie this to Final Crisis... it it wrong for me to consider that the entire year of Batman + Batman RIP was all in his head after being captured by Darkseid? Like it was all what happened in his head while being experimented on? Or to take it to another level, is the Omega Sanction linear? So Bruce is captured by Darkseid, escapes, gets nailed by Omega sanction, then lives the life of Batman RIP... only to return to where it started: escaping from Darkseid and getting hit with the Omega all over again... a hellish loop that Bruce is locked in?XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823683080094892101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-82778260107658436042009-06-12T15:01:29.384-07:002009-06-12T15:01:29.384-07:00I have to say, I really dug R.I.P. and your posts ...I have to say, I really dug R.I.P. and your posts are fantastic commentary to it, but there's one coincidence that just keeps bugging me -<br /><br />AND, I'll fully admit that this may have an easy solution that I just don't know because I haven't read any of Morrison's pre-RIP stories - <br /><br />but isn't it coincidental that Zur En Arrh is both the TRIGGER used to disable Batman and Batman's SOLUTION to being disabled? As I understand it, Hurt programmed the trigger phrase on him at some point during/from the isolation experiment - but where did he get the idea for it? Is it really just a coincidence that when he used that planted trigger to disable Batman, Batman happened to have a "back-up personality" CALLED Zur En Arrh in place to save him? If so, that seems like a stretch...Lance Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07832771514649505151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-44705821518911545422009-04-22T10:52:00.000-07:002009-04-22T10:52:00.000-07:00JG, I think that's right as far as the final gunsh...JG, I think that's right as far as the final gunshot and the curse go. In the case of the monk's poison and Mayhew's plot, I find it hard to reconcile with the elaborateness of Hurt's plan that he would aim to kill Batman when the plan had not yet made its attempt to break him. Of course, Hurt is not trying to profit in a rational way, so just about any course of action is explicable as long as it's anti-Batman. I think it's easy to dismiss Mayhew's plot as something that would "spook" Batman without worrying too much if Mayhew might succeed. Perhaps the monk's poison occupied a similar role. I will devote yet another post to the Black Glove's strategy, which fascinates me beyond the particulars of his objective.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-51774509707840518192009-04-21T15:07:00.000-07:002009-04-21T15:07:00.000-07:00This is JG from the dcboards.
Based on what Mor...This is JG from the dcboards. <br /><br />Based on what Morrison wrote, Hurt had two goals for Batman that he seemed to go back and forth on. The two goals were 1) kill Batman, and/or 2) corrupt Batman or cause Batman to quit. I think Hurt's ideal goal was to corrupt Batman or cause Batman to quit. But I think he was so frustrated with Batman sometimes that he did simply attempt to outright kill Batman to end Batman's war on crime. I think Hurt's particular goal at any one moment correlated with his confidence in his ability to succeed in his war with Batman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com