tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post3152294329710290439..comments2024-03-04T00:09:50.431-08:00Comments on Rikdad's Comic Thoughts: Batman and Robin: OS and DKRikdadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-88966321175719815872010-03-05T22:33:00.866-08:002010-03-05T22:33:00.866-08:00MPG, I didn't know about Sexton Blake -- nice ...MPG, I didn't know about Sexton Blake -- nice connection!Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-48999469787305682852010-03-05T06:34:50.086-08:002010-03-05T06:34:50.086-08:00Feel free to delete these last two posts, but...
...Feel free to delete these last two posts, but...<br /><br />OS is an "Amateur" detective? Much like Sexton Blake perhaps? And Blake’s first story was "The Missing Millionaire". Just a thought...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-28720079247626460642010-03-05T06:06:38.648-08:002010-03-05T06:06:38.648-08:00Once again, I have come late to the game.
Is the...Once again, I have come late to the game. <br />Is there any significance to the fact that the hat that Oberon Sexton is wearing is a Funeral Director's Top Hat?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-14767986671120361542010-03-01T17:53:19.635-08:002010-03-01T17:53:19.635-08:00I think if anyone's Morrison, it's Hurt. I...I think if anyone's Morrison, it's Hurt. I mean, reading Batman 680, Hurt's set up a world of pain for Bruce, telling the Black Glove that they'll finally get to see the ruination of the proud spirit... and they respond by accusing the BZAE of not being the real Batman, and that they'd all bet on Batman winning anyway. Enjoying watching people suffering and betting on the outcome is pretty much what fiction is, with the author as the ringmaster.Jim Touthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03272304624347137559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-75429583049069810932010-02-25T02:13:49.885-08:002010-02-25T02:13:49.885-08:00Rik,
I like the idea about the dominoes being a m...Rik,<br /><br />I like the idea about the dominoes being a means of resurrection and it makes even more sense when you add the comment Sexton made about the corncob dollies.<br /><br />I think Morrison as Sexton is too much for a book of this magnitude. I also think that Morrison would be doing himself a disservice as a writer to pull that trick again. That kind of thing should only work once and yet he's already done it on multiple occasions. I hope he doesn't do it again.<br /><br />The Joker might very well be Sexton. You were saying that it wouldn't be likely that he would bow to El Penitente, but remember that the last time we saw the Joker, he was plummeting over the bridge due to Damian's awesome driving skills. For all we know, he has amnesia and has constructed this sort of Batman-like personality. I believe he has to know Bruce Wayne is Batman since Bruce unmasked himself right in front of the Joker in R.I.P. (though I like to think the Joker always knew who Batman was). And one of the people at the party where Oberon and Dick met said, of Oberon's origin, that it was one version they heard, or something to that effect. That's true of the Joker's origin as well.<br /><br />But I think it probably has to be Bruce Wayne. We know that he's coming back, but the question becomes how can he come back in a way that makes sense. Oberon Sexton is a good answer to that. If he's the latest Omega Sanction iteration, he could be considered to be a corncob dolly for Bruce, temporarily holding his spirit in our time so that it could be transferred to a biologically identical Bruce body (perhaps the crazy Batman clone?). Or he could already be Bruce in body and that's why he wears the mask. Regardless, "King of the Gravediggers" would be an appropriate title for a man who has lived (and died) countless lives. And as for taking orders from El Penitente, could it be that the devil himself is unaware of Bruce's travels and Bruce is playing him?grimfrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04619477784869462093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-74174735560000624672010-02-24T22:47:25.500-08:002010-02-24T22:47:25.500-08:00Roberto, OS could be Mangrove Pierce and also &quo...Roberto, OS could be Mangrove Pierce and also "the writer", but also, as you say, also Bruce Wayne. In fact, there would be one very ripe possibility along with that: It would also Bruce Wayne to meet his parents, because Pierce is at least several years older than Bruce. That's the kind of plot twist that Silver Age Superman was all about; I could see Morrison making a nice scene of it.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-70702970216186381622010-02-24T21:23:37.164-08:002010-02-24T21:23:37.164-08:00What if Oberon Sexton is Mangrove Pierce, and... M...What if Oberon Sexton is Mangrove Pierce, and... Mangrove Pierce is one of the incarnations of Bruce Wayne (not knowing that)? That would make sense to me. Bruce Wayne bouncing on history and reborn as the late Mangrove Pierce, blamed by a crime he didn't commit, and looking for information (natural skills of detective).Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887356860829393709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-81670985916208462422010-02-24T13:10:13.813-08:002010-02-24T13:10:13.813-08:00It'd be tough to blackmail the Joker, but don&...It'd be tough to blackmail the Joker, but don't forget that the Joker worked with Hurt willingly (before he even knew the guy was supposedly the Devil ("fan of your work...")) previously. The Joker and Hurt didn't end on great terms, but they weren't at each other's throats either. Plus, don't underestimate the Joker's capacity to simply want to cause some chaos for a while. That's what he did in R.I.P. after all, even though he fully expected Bruce to pull out a victory. As far as the Joker-as-Oberon idea goes, I think the onus isn't on the Joker maybe not wanting to help Hurt again, for a while, for a kick--but rather it's HURT who would really display questionable judgment if he expected the Joker to help him again and stick to the script this time.<br /><br />BTW, just read issue 9. Nice issue, but few overt clues. There are a TON of half-hidden references and allusions to previous issues, though, so I'll look forward to reading what other people caught before rereading the issue myself and posting my own findings. On the first time thru, though, for me there were many phrases and images that seemed very familiar.<br /><br />Oh, and there was the semi-revelation that the Zombie Batman said about Damian's true nature, which must represent what Bruce himself knew before he was cloned.Santa1Lardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01570397892373877610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-48236108803071857232010-02-24T08:17:54.808-08:002010-02-24T08:17:54.808-08:00Nah Rikdad you misunderstood me. I'm saying Da...Nah Rikdad you misunderstood me. I'm saying Damian is unconsciously (spelling, sorry) placing the Dominos and he might be engineered by her own mother thru code languages, it's a far fetched thought tho for sure. Let's just wait and see what happens. :)Zzzzzrdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16123833646656437608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-69872154478161223662010-02-24T07:12:05.866-08:002010-02-24T07:12:05.866-08:00Gautama, R'as is overtly devilish, artisticall...Gautama, R'as is overtly devilish, artistically speaking, and so is the Joker. But Doctor Hurt is not either of them, and he's The (capital-T) Devil (capital-D).Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-34752971683192807192010-02-24T07:10:18.180-08:002010-02-24T07:10:18.180-08:00anders -- good point!
John, true, except for Pear...anders -- good point!<br /><br />John, true, except for Pearly's. But I don't think it's "terrifying" if Damian's planting them. He's not terrifying.<br /><br />Drazar, that's an interesting suggestion that the dominoes could be counting down to Damian's "Manchurian Candidate" moment, but the timing doesn't seem to work. He'll attack in issue #10 and the dominoes' secret is revealed in #12. It wouldn't be terrifying to say, "Oh, that's why that happened a couple of issues ago." Unless there's a bigger picture. Also, Talia could just send him a trigger in a letter -- he trusts her.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-29382945818249478782010-02-24T05:24:17.939-08:002010-02-24T05:24:17.939-08:00@John: Yeah the Damian thing might be true if ther...@John: Yeah the Damian thing might be true if there indeed is a trigger for Damian, maybe Talia is controlling his son? #666 does refer him being engineered to kill and replace Batman.<br /><br />I still wish to believe Oberon Sexton is the Joker, yes i know you really can't black mail a lunatic like him, but lets remember Joker does recreate himself all the time, why can't he one day recreate himself as a good guy with actual morals and stuff?<br /><br />Ofcourse the observations that Oberon is Morrison seem to be pretty good, infact the theory is abit growing onto me but i do hope it's not going to be anything majorly 4th wall breaking stuff, i guess i just can't accept that in Batman comics lol, but hey better wait and see before judging. :)Zzzzzrdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16123833646656437608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-37656158339349764852010-02-24T05:06:13.675-08:002010-02-24T05:06:13.675-08:00Don't forget one thing: Whenever there was a D...Don't forget one thing: Whenever there was a Domino, Damian was present...jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10205764046246328856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-76382745434000176832010-02-24T02:44:57.163-08:002010-02-24T02:44:57.163-08:00Anybody thought of this: dominoes were referred to...Anybody thought of this: dominoes were referred to as 'bones' by Dick & Alfred. Oberon Sexton = "gravedigger".andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16192567833036680194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-39349411821228145372010-02-24T00:29:54.780-08:002010-02-24T00:29:54.780-08:00My ideas related to dr. hurt and joker.
Ra's a...My ideas related to dr. hurt and joker.<br />Ra's al Ghul may not see himself as <br /><br />Evil, but he DOES see himself as a <br /><br />Demon. Possibly a "fallen angel", or a <br /><br />corrupted good man who plans to do <br /><br />good through bad methods. In fact, <br /><br />Ra's is a Doctor who gave up on his <br /><br />own humanity ... for the greater good <br /><br />of humanity. He hangs out in Pits. <br /><br />Total Demon allusions persist <br /><br />throughout Ra's' entire history.<br /><br />Joker<br />Joker doesn't go for all this "Good vs. <br /><br />Evil" nonsense. It has nothing to do <br /><br />with order vs. chaos. Law vs. crime. <br /><br />Sanity vs. madness. So apart from <br /><br />probably being the Domino Killer as <br /><br />revenge against Hurt for daring to call <br /><br />him a minion, and dumping hundreds of <br /><br />clues on Batman about who the Devil <br /><br />is (Red & Black - The Devil's Colors. <br /><br />The forked tongue. Loads more.) ... and <br /><br />betting on Batman ... and <br /><br />systematically murdering the Black <br /><br />Glove ... Joker has also used Pagan - <br /><br />Pre-Christian - trickster gods for <br /><br />aliases (Well, notably, Harley used the <br /><br />Algonquin trickster god Wisakedjak as <br /><br />HER alias, but it was part of Joker's <br /><br />plan). Anyway, now I believe he's <br /><br />masquerading as Oberon Sexton (King <br /><br />of Faeries = Pagan trickster). He <br /><br />doesn't like this new bastard taking up <br /><br />all of HIS Batman's time. Time that <br /><br />could be spent on Joker. He's very <br /><br />possessive.Mayankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299648804875969721noreply@blogger.com