tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post4941503524489537139..comments2024-03-04T00:09:50.431-08:00Comments on Rikdad's Comic Thoughts: Doomsday Clock #11Rikdadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-22451874857335376422021-11-29T00:00:30.012-08:002021-11-29T00:00:30.012-08:00IT'S good Bon nuoc tan aIT'S good <a href="https://shoptanadaithanh.vn/bon-nuoc-tan-a/" rel="nofollow">Bon nuoc tan a</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02790863564643244312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-27233438727126853762019-12-17T07:42:38.183-08:002019-12-17T07:42:38.183-08:00Sooo how about that HBO Watchmen finale...Sooo how about that HBO Watchmen finale...Sakeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02681008934522319132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-79525512451720935912019-10-27T16:28:32.383-07:002019-10-27T16:28:32.383-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.rudranshjha1https://www.blogger.com/profile/16636438794500100920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-82755960170007607952019-10-18T06:35:50.774-07:002019-10-18T06:35:50.774-07:00I think the conflict morally we have watched Jon O...I think the conflict morally we have watched Jon O/Dr M wrestle with through Watchmen and now Doomsday Clock is quite nuanced. I'm not saying that Dr M in Doomsday Clock is Lex Luthor per say, but that he is the Watchmen universe version of what could have happened to Lex. Certainly the infatuation with Superman is (at least at this point in the story) central to both Luthor and Dr M. I would also posit that Carver Colman was Dr M's "smallville" once he arrived in the DCU, that he had some semblance of a friend. Much like when Lex and Clark were young and trying to find there way living in Smallville.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14985850946023006464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-17188127383385616562019-10-17T23:03:13.826-07:002019-10-17T23:03:13.826-07:00I did notice the Luthor sign, which I took to be a...I did notice the Luthor sign, which I took to be a "sign" that Luthor is a former President, and not much more meaningful, but you offer an interesting take.<br /><br />Johns has laid out the "Superman vs Luthor" premise before, in Infinite Crisis, and this dialogue reflected that.<br /><br />But I think this Dr. Manhattan really is Dr. Manhattan. He may stand in for a darker direction of comics, but I don't see him standing in for Luthor. In fact, Johns has really led a charge in making Luthor (and for that matter, Sinestro) more nuanced than pure evil, whereas Dr. Manhattan was about making a Superman surrogate indifferent and tainted.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-62770982049089198232019-10-15T17:23:37.124-07:002019-10-15T17:23:37.124-07:00Did you notice the street sign reading "Lutho...Did you notice the street sign reading "Luthor" and pointing at Dr. Manhattan? I believe Johns has been playing with the Watchmen characters and their DCU counterparts...but the corresponding character pairings have been very cleverly switched up/revealed. I think Batman has been much less effective in Doomsday Clock than he has been portrayed since before Morrison's JLA. Now Veidt is appearing to NOT be as sophistcated as his Watchmen appearance. Luthor says that the universe revolves around him. DrM has that same opinion of himself. Doomsday Clock is about Superman. And the final panel of #11 is the DrM symbol, with a particle revolving around a center...Luthor "universe revolves around me"..."Superman is the center of the metaverse"...the street sign pointing to DrM. The Watchmen - DCU doppleganger if you will is Luthor and DrM. Jon Osterman was a genius like Luthor...both are obsessed with Superman. <br /><br />Batman can't solve the day. Veidt isn't the master genius from Watchmen. Joker, Marionette & Mime, Reggie, Firestorm, Wonder Woman, Blake etc. are all secondary players.<br /><br />This is the never ending fight that Luthor and Superman have been locked in...but with the Metaverse (meta story telling) in the balance with this "Luthor" being Dr. Manhattan.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14985850946023006464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-46874584363870549492019-10-10T07:50:16.779-07:002019-10-10T07:50:16.779-07:00Collin, thanks for the link. I gave it one read an...Collin, thanks for the link. I gave it one read and enjoyed it, and will doubtlessly return to it. One downside to the prolonged nature of DDC is that it's hard to piece the stories together as the total number of issues of Superman, JL, Batman, DC, HIC, etc., is now literally in the hundreds. I think he overlooked that Johns said in an interview that the returns of the two fathers reflected DrM's specific intention to sideline the two flagship heroes. I also remember some threads that I was trying to connect, WAY back in the earliest Mr. Oz days, about different titles (Superman and Flash) using almost identical dialogue to describe futuristic technology of unknown origin. It feels like those threads have been dropped by the collective set of titles because it's just been too long for the writers to keep connecting with a different series that is missing deadlines.<br /><br />Also, I have fallen away from keeping up with JL, despite my lifelong love of that series. I find Snyder's use of dark metal and other cosmic constructs to be weak storytelling and so I'm not keeping up with the core series as much as I have been for most of the previous ~13 years.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-47662747907834159502019-10-10T07:35:59.952-07:002019-10-10T07:35:59.952-07:00I felt like Watchmen #12 was good, and that the fl...I felt like Watchmen #12 was good, and that the flaw of the series was that it argued against something that nobody was arguing for – that superheroes would work nicely in the real world.<br /><br />That thought just led to re-read Roger Ebert's review of the film, to get an unbiased take, and he liked it a lot, 4/4. But he was clearly responding not only to the script but to actors' performances which are not there on the page, no matter how well drawn.<br /><br />I feel like Ebert found the individual heroes' confrontation of their limitations to be powerful as a study into humanity whereas Moore wrote it as a confrontation of the idea that superhero comic books should exist.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-14609790570059570622019-10-09T19:08:12.737-07:002019-10-09T19:08:12.737-07:00I'm also one of those people who thinks Watchm...I'm also one of those people who thinks Watchmen kind of tanks it's ending so if Doomsday Clock does it too it'll be a tradition.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185609263234354638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-87295266442764380112019-10-09T14:25:43.079-07:002019-10-09T14:25:43.079-07:00I think Comedian is one of the remnants Manhattan ...I think Comedian is one of the remnants Manhattan has left behind like the Button and photograph with Janey Slater.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185609263234354638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-12596020801544623732019-10-09T14:25:08.754-07:002019-10-09T14:25:08.754-07:00To zero in on one example, it seems like the new L...To zero in on one example, it seems like the new LSH launch has maybe spoiled a reveal by occurring before Doomsday Clock ended instead of after. The Jor-El and Thomas Wayne stories have perhaps also fallen out of intended sequence and been redirected. I wouldn't say that those sorts of changes automatically worsen the final product, but they do introduce some noise into the process.<br /><br />I worry a bit more about the story drifting in the direction of self-called-out shallowness, as when Saturn Girl identifies a smug smile on Veidt's face. Is a smug smile the defining trait of villainy? Is a smug smile what made Alex Luthor and Superboy Prime the villains of Infinite Crisis while more relatable facial expressions made Kal-L a misled hero? I'll certainly be disappointed if that proves to be the level upon which we're operating.<br /><br />So that's a major question I raise with the nature of the expository speech since it was so explicitly called out in Watchmen.<br /><br />I think when this is over, the Comedian is going to find himself mid-air over the sidewalk with one second left to live, but maybe there's a better, surprise ending for him, too. Maybe Johns will undo Veidt's entire New York mass casualty plot. That would be a bold way of handling the sequel.<br /><br />To assemble these thoughts into a more pointed answer, I don't worry so much that changes caused by the delays (etc.) will worsen the story. The things I wonder about probably come down to Johns' original concept. If delays and time crunches cause a problem, I would expect to see them in a decreased level of complexity from issue #1 to #12. Have we seen that? Maybe.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-61341116105951189572019-10-09T05:12:38.684-07:002019-10-09T05:12:38.684-07:00Hi! Have you read through Earthmine's "lo...Hi! Have you read through Earthmine's "long read" of Doomsday Clock and how it connects (STILL connects) to everything else going on in the DCU? <br /><br />https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/10/02/long-read-a-great-big-doomsday-clock-dc-comics-conspiracy-theory/<br /><br />It's very cool—and quite Rikdadian in its approach and scope. And even if only a portion of it is true, then a truly momentous and rewarding conclusion is headed our way just in time for X-mas. Although, I'm not necessarily looking forward to the impending "Generations" reboot that DiDio showcased at NY Comic Con a couple weeks ago...Collin Colsherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16138001849132442156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-44378470973812643292019-10-09T05:05:33.288-07:002019-10-09T05:05:33.288-07:00I think a lot of ideas that Johns had about the st...I think a lot of ideas that Johns had about the story as far back as the Rebirth Special have changed. I think Mr. Oz was originally going to have a purpose. I think Saturn Girl and the JSA's role may have been tweaked (it's weird seeing the Legion and JSA show up in other comics before Doomsday Clock is over). I think it's odd that the 3 Joker storyline was heavily teased in Rebirth Special and Darkseid War back in 2016 and hasn't been mentioned since, even in Doomsday Clock. I am anxious to see how Johns wraps everything up in the final issue, there is still the matter of a living breathing Comedian still to resolve as well. <br />I have definitely been loving the Doomsday Clock story, but would be very interested to find out what the original plans for the story were and how things have developed and changed over the course of the last couple years. Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14667412261395222328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-91669374941851216482019-10-09T04:54:25.628-07:002019-10-09T04:54:25.628-07:00Do you think Johns has lost control of the story? ...Do you think Johns has lost control of the story? Characters who took up so much story real estate from the Watchmen universe in the beginning have been irrelevant in the second half. I also can't believe that this was where the Saturn Girl story has been going the whole time. Did Johns bite the exposition bullet because he didn't leave himself enough room? <br /><br />Doomsday Clock's fraught production has become as much a part of the story as the story since Johns has mostly turned from comic production at this point and DC favors Scott Snyder's vision.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185609263234354638noreply@blogger.com