tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post7583243268172855166..comments2024-03-04T00:09:50.431-08:00Comments on Rikdad's Comic Thoughts: Batman, Inc in the DCnURikdadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-8759375795418916152013-07-12T01:31:38.546-07:002013-07-12T01:31:38.546-07:00WW by Azzarello is also a rare gem. I don't al...WW by Azzarello is also a rare gem. I don't always like his writing (First Wave books I hated) but I give it to him, he HAS ideas! ;)<br />sorry for taking this long to reply but honestly I forgot I even commented :DmilanKovacshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03763406650106293117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-64053722756545009102013-03-01T23:10:23.900-08:002013-03-01T23:10:23.900-08:00diFace, that's good to know. I think Morrison&...diFace, that's good to know. I think Morrison's use of Wonder Woman in Return of Bruce Wayne was truly remarkable. In limited screentime with another character's name in the title, WW shone in that story. I'd love to read GM's take on Wonder Woman, although I've been delighted with Azzarello's run (I'm a couple of issues back and need to catch up).Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-45048526185971596582013-02-24T18:55:46.761-08:002013-02-24T18:55:46.761-08:00lol the new 52 version seemed to be getting his bu...lol the new 52 version seemed to be getting his butt whooped quite a bit compared to the superman from the real dc universe, to which they seriously need to bring back at this point.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03384658863122996004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-20370862808665036982013-02-10T02:57:23.165-08:002013-02-10T02:57:23.165-08:00besides Multiversity I know from good source he...besides Multiversity I know from good source he's working on a Wonder Woman book with Paquette and another one with Frazer Irving.milanKovacshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03763406650106293117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-17890294089798848302013-01-29T08:14:44.712-08:002013-01-29T08:14:44.712-08:00Glad to see you blogging about the Bat again! Alwa...Glad to see you blogging about the Bat again! Always a great, insightful read! Any thoughts about issue 6?Javi Trujillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14741226488473585332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-26021462893371128552012-12-15T22:30:22.061-08:002012-12-15T22:30:22.061-08:00Welcome back Rikdad, was worried we lost you once ...Welcome back Rikdad, was worried we lost you once Batman Inc. started and the Dr. Hurt story was over, or it seemed, we will see. I am disappointed that Morrison is leaving DC once Inc. finishes, there will be Multiversity but probably not much after that with him going to the indie books which is great too.John Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041372144991975782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-66333222317688698542012-11-30T23:20:07.057-08:002012-11-30T23:20:07.057-08:00Babbler, that role of Hurt is an intriguing one, a...Babbler, that role of Hurt is an intriguing one, and one he spoke in his final encounter with Bruce, priding himself on being a mystery Bruce can never solve.<br /><br />In Inc #5, there are word balloons where someone speaks to an unidentified "you", apparently part of Damian speaking to his (non-present) mother, which may have interesting revelations hidden, saying that "you" opened the door to the devil ("Devil"?) and the "hole in things." If Talia was responsible for Hurt being unleashed, that's news.<br /><br />Good observation on the reversal of Batman and Robin's finale. Also, the Joker plague is a fantasy Joker imagines at the end of #676. And moreover, the nuclear bomb is a plot element from the movie "Dark Knight Rises" although it's also a plot element of so many other stories, that connection may be coincidental, but Morrison does make nods to other media.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-58771762367291177002012-11-30T23:13:42.944-08:002012-11-30T23:13:42.944-08:00ManWithTenEyes, The scenario in #13 was an echo of...ManWithTenEyes, The scenario in #13 was an echo of the lies Hurt told Alfred and (at the very end) Bruce and leaked to the press in RIP, but it included young Bruce's death, which Hurt didn't claim, but as you say, perhaps he imagined. (And "imagine" could mean "desire" or "believe"... It's hard to tell if Hurt believes every lie he tells, or if he lies even when the listener knows the lie isn't true.) It also echoes the account of Bruce's grandmother in ROBW that "Thomas" may have ordered the hit on Martha, then escaped. More generally, the pattern of a man having his wife killed has been repeated a huge number of times in Morrison's Batman work (including Mayhew, the real Oberon Sexton, and all of these Wayne pseudo-backstories).Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-9424506061440475762012-11-30T20:55:05.541-08:002012-11-30T20:55:05.541-08:00Dr Hurt has always been an enemy more towards Batm...Dr Hurt has always been an enemy more towards Batman's continuity, rather than Batman himself. His latest appearance is part of a reoccurring pattern of attacks to the status quo. R.I.P.: He shockingly claims that he's Bruce's father, Batman & Robin Must Die!: The perverted take on the Death of the Waynes. And finally in Inc. #5: He has literally obliterated any continuity with the push of a button. No more Gotham, no more Batman. Dr. Hurt is the only villain (so far), to have destabilised the Batman mythos, another reason why he needs to be used again in the future.<br />And did anyone catch the subtle cyclic reference to "Batman & Robin Must Die!" ? Hurt attempts to spread a chaos-making contagion into Gotham's population, while the Joker threatened to blow up the whole place with a nuclear bomb. Flash forward to Inc. #5... Joker's last prank has infected the city with chaos-making contagion, and Dr. Hurt manages to blow up Gotham with a nuclear bomb. The Bloody Babblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00204690249206035722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-6142499110219827562012-11-30T15:19:37.727-08:002012-11-30T15:19:37.727-08:00Yes, the story developments and Burnham's art ...Yes, the story developments and Burnham's art made both Batman and Damian look something they rarely are ...vulnerable. <br /><br />I would love to see a follow-up of those first few pages of B&R #13 as well. That scenario and the following pages showing Hurt shooting Dick were quite disorienting at the time. But while Morrision came back to the scene with Dick, the Thomas Wayne scene was left shrouded in mystery. Hurt's imagination? A clue the Black Glove was involved in the Wayne shooting but it went awry? Something else? Plenty to puzzle about there.ManWithTenEyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501592644380773891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-22900382125376501512012-11-30T13:56:32.056-08:002012-11-30T13:56:32.056-08:00ManWithTenEyes, great way to put it, that Morrison...ManWithTenEyes, great way to put it, that Morrison picks up ideas and concepts. He's done it with other storylines, and he does it here. Clearly, he has a larger set of ideas in mind than he ever puts to paper, and he revisits them, weaving storylines together, in ways that he could not have originally intended.<br /><br />The various visions of Damian as the future Batman are a great example. #666 had an uncertain relationship to the "real" timeline which was much discussed during RIP. Was this a possible future? The real future? Or was that distinction unknowable? Morrison said that it had "clues" to what was happening in RIP, but it certainly proved clear that the death of Batman shown there was not the ending of RIP. Later, it was shown that the deal Damian made with the Devil was not the ending of Morrison's run on Batman and Robin. Now, years later, we see that the timeline of #666 is consistent with a possible future that Bruce seeks to avoid, whereas the timeline of #700 is perhaps distinct from that timeline, although similar to it.<br /><br />It would be interesting to see Morrison pick up another "timeline" whose reality was never addressed: The fantasy that started Batman and Robin #13 that showed an evil Thomas Wayne / Doctor Hurt deliberately arranging the deaths of Bruce and Martha. This powerful substory could simply be left alone, but then again, Morrison could pick it up and elaborate on it, working it into continuity in some way, in some story to be published years from now.<br /><br />Part of the power in Inc Vol. 2 #5 is Bruce's powerlessness. He is being forced to sacrifice something. We may guess that he will make a good decision to avoid the worst-case scenario, but in doing so, he may choose a tragic outcome of lesser, but still compelling impact.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-89867698423634783112012-11-30T13:07:16.982-08:002012-11-30T13:07:16.982-08:00LaHuman, thanks! In part, the long layoffs have di...LaHuman, thanks! In part, the long layoffs have discouraged me from commenting more. Batman Inc was first introduced two years ago, during which time we've had 14 issues, plus two one-shots.<br /><br />The Argentine plot, with its copious allusions to Borges, merits serious discussion on a literary level. Some of Morrison's best work.<br /><br />The "web" image I placed at the top of the post is the sort of thing one might scrutinize for clues. If there is a mystery in progress, I'm not sure what it might be. We seem to know that Talia is the villain, and that's that. We don't know exactly what her plan is, but we know that Damian Version #2 is part of it and a tragedy, apparently concerning the loss, in some sense, of the original Damian, is at stake.Rikdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475851964933197612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-66294939267761259762012-11-30T10:03:22.171-08:002012-11-30T10:03:22.171-08:00Good points all. It's to Morrison's credit...Good points all. It's to Morrison's credit that he can write a story in 2012 that in large part picks up on ideas and concepts he started building six years ago. I think that's why Inc. #5 had such emotional power; it had a cinematic intensity you rarely find in a comic. And that was true both in the future scenes and the present ones. Thanks for your post.ManWithTenEyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501592644380773891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2404509015791000032.post-89600804874133968682012-11-30T09:49:45.351-08:002012-11-30T09:49:45.351-08:00Great read as always Rikdad. Hope we get to read m...Great read as always Rikdad. Hope we get to read more as Morrison's batman saga is nearing its' finish line.LaHumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18179444121045201196noreply@blogger.com