Grant Morrison's "season" writing Batman and Robin is drawing near to its end. The fifth and final three-issue arc of that run has begun, raising the stakes to their highest point. Given the spectacular conclusion that his run on Batman delivered for the final two issues of its main plot, there is every reason to expect lots of fireworks in the rest of the current arc and in the wrap-up issue, #16.
The Joker in Reverse?
The story is perhaps not a mystery in the classic sense (now that the Domino Killer and Oberon Sexton have had their mutual identity revealed as the Joker), but there are numerous substantial mysteries remaining. One of the biggest concerns the Joker himself. We got a clear reveal of the grinning face behind the Sexton mask. It's unclear, though, what is going on inside the Joker's mind. In captivity for all of his scenes in B&R #13, the Joker insists that he wants to assist Batman and Robin in their upcoming confrontation with the villain whom we know to be Doctor Hurt. No one in the story believes him: Dick and Damian are equally certain that the Joker is trying to gain their confidence merely to turn around and do evil. Probably, though, the heroes are wrong and the Joker's telling the truth.
It would certainly be more like history if Dick and Damian were correct, and the Joker were waiting for them to trust him before pulling an enormous treacherous joke on them. But Morrison said, very early on, that his plan for the Joker was to do something that he didn't think had been done before. But the Joker has pretended to be a good guy only to close a trap on Batman in the past -- it happened in The Brave and The Bold #111, and that story was collected in The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told, so there's a good chance that Morrison is aware of it. Moreover, we have seen what Dick hasn't, that the Joker really was investigating Hurt and spiting him over the phone. And we have seen Hurt concur, as when he speaks with Senator Vine in #12, that the Joker really is working against him. Probably what the Joker said is on the level -- he is trying to stop Hurt. Intriguingly, the Joker knows more about Hurt's plan than we do. So when Dick turns his back on the Joker's offer to help, he seems to be letting the second to last chance to stop Doctor Hurt slip away. That is, the Joker could clue Dick in and give him the information he needs to neutralize Hurt's plan. If that's the second to last chance, then what is the last chance Dick has? Well, it's whatever Dick is actually going to do. Because he probably means what he says to Hurt through clenched teeth: "You're finished."
The Joker's motives still seem more complex than merely whether he is "good" or "bad". His overtures to the new Batman made repeated reference to Bruce Wayne. It becomes increasingly unlikely that the Joker has come out of RIP strangely unaware of his longtime foe's secret identity. The Joker has managed to track down and kill three members of the Black Glove. Does he honestly believe that Bruce Wayne is a member of the Black Glove? He shouldn't -- there was no one who looked like Bruce Wayne among the masked billionaires except for Batman himself. So when "Oberon Sexton" asks in #12 "Did Wayne have anything to say?" he's probably looking for information about his missing adversary. The obvious reason why would be because of their essential roles in one another's lives. But the intersection between his investigation and the Wayne cemetery's "garden of death" offers an additional, if unneeded explanation; the Joker may have learned enough about Hurt's goals to know that Wayne Manor is significant for reasons we know only partially.
In #13, Dick observes that the Joker's pattern on the map is a Mexican Train, domino-style. The post-RIP killings lead east to west: Arabia to Italy to the UK. (The sequence of the Russian general is unclear; but from Dick's comments, he doesn't consider it to break the pattern.) This is by design; the Joker could have killed them in any order, but he chose that sequence in order to point to Gotham. For a Batman to put the pattern of murders onto a map is something Damian does in Batman #666. Once the Black Glove killings stop (or pause) at Gotham, they branch off (which is what domino arrangements in Mexican Train do) to begin the marking of El Penitente's underlings: Toad is killed; then, Pyg, Santo, and Naberius receive planted dominoes. This is possibly just a message to the new Batman that El Penitente and the Black Glove are connected. Whatever the intent, Hurt sees it too: He says in #12 that the Joker is coming at the Black Glove "out of the east". Dick figured out that it was the Joker's work, but doesn't seem to have seen as of the time the Batmobile was shot down in #13 how it points to Doctor Hurt.
It's possible that the last chance is for Dick to give the Joker a chance to help. But things are not on that track. It is easy to miss the keening menace in Damian's speech to the Joker, just before he brings a crowbar into the discussion. Morrison is putting us back into the interrogation scene from The Dark Knight, when Heath Ledger's Joker giggled at Christian Bane's Batman and said, "You have nothing, nothing to threaten me with..." Morrison pens a retort in Damian's words. He does have something to threaten the Joker with, and it's not plain violence. He means to take the Joker's "brilliant mind" from him. He means to lobotomize the Joker with blunt force. He thinks he's found the one thing the Joker really does care about. And he's probably right, and the version of the Joker who might "join forces with your old enemy to turn the tables on these upstart newcomers" (Batman #680) is probably going to cease to be. The solicit for #14 mentions "two foes who almost destroyed the original Batman". While that could technically be fulfilled with Hurt and anyone else from Mr. Freeze to Killer Croc, the chances are that it means the exact same villain lineup from RIP: Hurt and the Joker, now both working against the new Batman. Dick and Damian are soon running out of chances to make mistakes in the showdown with Hurt. This may be the last.
Symbols and Signs
We know from ROBW #4 that Alan Wayne deliberately drew a bat into the gardens around Wayne Manor in order to mark the location of the casket for when the man in black (Bruce Wayne, not Johnny Cash) returned. As the panel at right makes clear, he also built the outline of a bat into the Wayne Manor library, which is a room of great importance to the story. Various features of this room, such as the portrait of Thomas and Martha Wayne, have been in the background of several recent installments in this story, telling us that this is not only the room where Dick (in B&R #10) and Bruce (in Batman #701) press the three roses to enter the hidden room. It is also where Solomon Wayne posed for his portrait. More important, it is the location where Doctor Hurt will shoot Dick Grayson.
Under the portrait of Bruce's parents, and just over the portal where one enters the secret passageways, is an art piece, the head of a horse. This seemingly requires no comment. But we should be looking for details: In an interview, Morrison called Andy Clarke's work (as in #10) part of a "Dan Brown thing" involving "attention to detail". And the same horsehead image appears also on the head and clothing of one of the 99 Fiends -- the very same one who picks up the casket in #12 and later springs Pyg from his cell in #13. It's seen, too, when Bruce approaches the passage in Batman #701. In all, three artists have now depicted the horsehead, although not one single word has called attention to it. What can a horsehead mean? A chess knight, recalling "the Dark Knight". A famous nebula in the sky just under Orion's Belt -- a trio of stars which has been mentioned several times in the story and is symbolized by the roses that appear in the very same location in the library. The horse Bruce rides in ROBW.
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It is almost directly behind Dick's head in the panel depicting his shooting. Black fragments in the air may tell us something about the physics of the gunshot. In ROBW #4, Old Thomas Wayne refers to statues. We haven't seen plural statues of significance in the story yet -- just the one of Barbatos under the Manor. Is this horse figure another statue in the set to which OTW refers? It's not required that the horsehead will come to mean anything, or if so that its meaning would be more than a throwaway. But it certainly does keep surfacing.
Changing Faces
During the run of RIP, I looked for clues in the original appearance of John Mayhew in World's Finest #89. Mayhew has very little dialogue in that issue, and what he does say is banal. What I found striking was how utterly his appearance had been transformed. In Mayhew's first appearance (almost exactly 50 years before his second), the great Curt Swan drew him as a man showing the gray hair of his age and some excess weight, not unlike Perry White. In Grant Morrison's "Club of Heroes" story, Mayhew looks much younger (though he's "almost sixty"). To the point, he looks near enough like Thomas Wayne. Probably more like Thomas Wayne than is coincidence. But why?
Even before Doctor Hurt told us that he had broken Bruce's mind with "carefully prepared scenarios", it seemed as though Mayhew's murderous attack on the Club of Heroes was designed, perhaps, not so much to succeed as to prey on Bruce's worries. He told Tim Drake that he decided to attend that reunion because he always wondered "what eccentric men who have everything do when they get bored." And knowing Hurt's larger scheme, we can ask, was Bruce's curiosity planted so that Mayhew, resembling Bruce's own father, supplied a completely repugnant answer: that men like Thomas Wayne can turn to murder and evil when they get bored. And with Morrison asking his artists to retool Mayhew into a Thomas Wayne lookalike, Mayhew becomes a plausible alternate version of Thomas Wayne, one whose activities were set up by Hurt in order to help split Bruce's mind with the thought that his good father, the parent whose death Bruce's mission is meant to avenge, was not a good man at all?
There are other lines throughout Morrison's run that support this conjecture, such as when Bruce describes Thomas to Damian as "a good man", "a doctor". But all of these lines are filled with many-way ambiguity. Bruce himself is an "eccentric man who has everything". And the equation between doctors and good men can also read as an ironic take on Hurt, maybe even explaining why Bruce trusted himself in Doctor Hurt's isolation experiment in the first place.
It's to the credit of Morrison's run that such ambiguity works and adds life to the reading even without point-by-point confirmation of any of these possibilities. But I raise this topic now, and explore some of its branching paths, to posit another reason for the "total makeover" of John Mayhew: Maybe the opening scenes of Batman and Robin #13 show John Mayhew and his wife Dorothy Lamarr and how he "had her killed" (Batman #669). Excepting that the part of the hair is on the other side, the "evil Thomas" is quite credibly Mayhew -- he looks like Mayhew and does something that we know Mayhew did. There is an important omission, though -- previous tellings of Mayhew's story have never included a son. And, there would have to be a villain of cosmic grandeur pulling the strings for Mayhew's family to have seen Zorro on the night of their "mugging" and for his son to have fenced at the air just as Bruce did. If such a boy existed, then he was a sort of alternate Bruce who was cut down in his youth.
There isn't enough to conclude that the "evil Thomas" we saw was actually Mayhew, but the commonalities run deep and are part of the larger "couples plot" that has continually resurfaced in alternate versions. One common element is that the man in the couple sees to the murder of his wife or lover. Count the instances of this, in truth and lies, in Morrison's Batman work:
1) The Joker planned to kill Harley Quinn in Batman #663
2) The "Bane Batman" Branca "killed his wife and kids" due to Hurt's manipulation
3) Flamingo killed his wife and children due to Hurt's manipulation
4) Mayhew killed his wife
5) Mangrove Pierce was framed for killing his lover, Mayhew's wife
6) According to the dossier and Hurt's lies, Bruce's father hired Chill to kill Martha
7) Oberon Sexton killed his wife
8) The "evil Thomas Wayne" seen in B&R #13 hired a man to kill his wife and son
9) Though it was for the purpose of saving her, Dick helped Batwoman overdose fatally in B&R #8-9
Why does this theme recur so often? Is it simply because it has high emotional charge, and needs no further explanation? Or is it something that Doctor Hurt is making to happen over and over again? Did, perhaps, Doctor Hurt's earlier incarnation as the older Thomas Wayne kill his wife? We may not get an answer. But as things turn back to the past in ROBW #5, it's useful to have the details of Mayhew's biography fresh in the memory.
Lady in Red
There's one other late character who has received a makeover. Martha Wayne has, perhaps, lighter hair in the portrait seen over the secret passageway than we've seen on her in the past. This is within the realm of colorists' variation (and Morrison's stories include a lot of unnatural hues... scenes that look as though they were lit by a strongly colored light). Martha's hair looked brown back in Batman #673. It was black in Batman #682. Maybe this isn't even Morrison's decision-making at work. But it is intriguing that Martha and Thomas may be, respectively, in red and black, as they did in the masquerade ball story in Detective #235. Old themes circle round again.
Hurt's Last Move
Doctor Hurt is yet to star in two or three upcoming issues of Batman and Robin, one issue of Batman, and one or two issues of Return of Bruce Wayne. The solicit for B&R #15 promises "the final confrontation with Doctor Hurt". Whether or not this tremendous character, perhaps Grant Morrison's greatest invention, is to be killed off, his motives and plans, and perhaps his origin, will be the prime focus of the three titles that Morrison is writing over the next several weeks.
My next post will be about this character in the context of the current story. We might re-ask the top question in comics from 2008 now and expect to see a different answer: Who is the Black Glove? On Thursday, I'll post on Doctor Hurt and his latest -- perhaps final -- plan.
It would certainly be more like history if Dick and Damian were correct, and the Joker were waiting for them to trust him before pulling an enormous treacherous joke on them. But Morrison said, very early on, that his plan for the Joker was to do something that he didn't think had been done before. But the Joker has pretended to be a good guy only to close a trap on Batman in the past -- it happened in The Brave and The Bold #111, and that story was collected in The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told, so there's a good chance that Morrison is aware of it. Moreover, we have seen what Dick hasn't, that the Joker really was investigating Hurt and spiting him over the phone. And we have seen Hurt concur, as when he speaks with Senator Vine in #12, that the Joker really is working against him. Probably what the Joker said is on the level -- he is trying to stop Hurt. Intriguingly, the Joker knows more about Hurt's plan than we do. So when Dick turns his back on the Joker's offer to help, he seems to be letting the second to last chance to stop Doctor Hurt slip away. That is, the Joker could clue Dick in and give him the information he needs to neutralize Hurt's plan. If that's the second to last chance, then what is the last chance Dick has? Well, it's whatever Dick is actually going to do. Because he probably means what he says to Hurt through clenched teeth: "You're finished."
The Joker's motives still seem more complex than merely whether he is "good" or "bad". His overtures to the new Batman made repeated reference to Bruce Wayne. It becomes increasingly unlikely that the Joker has come out of RIP strangely unaware of his longtime foe's secret identity. The Joker has managed to track down and kill three members of the Black Glove. Does he honestly believe that Bruce Wayne is a member of the Black Glove? He shouldn't -- there was no one who looked like Bruce Wayne among the masked billionaires except for Batman himself. So when "Oberon Sexton" asks in #12 "Did Wayne have anything to say?" he's probably looking for information about his missing adversary. The obvious reason why would be because of their essential roles in one another's lives. But the intersection between his investigation and the Wayne cemetery's "garden of death" offers an additional, if unneeded explanation; the Joker may have learned enough about Hurt's goals to know that Wayne Manor is significant for reasons we know only partially.
In #13, Dick observes that the Joker's pattern on the map is a Mexican Train, domino-style. The post-RIP killings lead east to west: Arabia to Italy to the UK. (The sequence of the Russian general is unclear; but from Dick's comments, he doesn't consider it to break the pattern.) This is by design; the Joker could have killed them in any order, but he chose that sequence in order to point to Gotham. For a Batman to put the pattern of murders onto a map is something Damian does in Batman #666. Once the Black Glove killings stop (or pause) at Gotham, they branch off (which is what domino arrangements in Mexican Train do) to begin the marking of El Penitente's underlings: Toad is killed; then, Pyg, Santo, and Naberius receive planted dominoes. This is possibly just a message to the new Batman that El Penitente and the Black Glove are connected. Whatever the intent, Hurt sees it too: He says in #12 that the Joker is coming at the Black Glove "out of the east". Dick figured out that it was the Joker's work, but doesn't seem to have seen as of the time the Batmobile was shot down in #13 how it points to Doctor Hurt.
It's possible that the last chance is for Dick to give the Joker a chance to help. But things are not on that track. It is easy to miss the keening menace in Damian's speech to the Joker, just before he brings a crowbar into the discussion. Morrison is putting us back into the interrogation scene from The Dark Knight, when Heath Ledger's Joker giggled at Christian Bane's Batman and said, "You have nothing, nothing to threaten me with..." Morrison pens a retort in Damian's words. He does have something to threaten the Joker with, and it's not plain violence. He means to take the Joker's "brilliant mind" from him. He means to lobotomize the Joker with blunt force. He thinks he's found the one thing the Joker really does care about. And he's probably right, and the version of the Joker who might "join forces with your old enemy to turn the tables on these upstart newcomers" (Batman #680) is probably going to cease to be. The solicit for #14 mentions "two foes who almost destroyed the original Batman". While that could technically be fulfilled with Hurt and anyone else from Mr. Freeze to Killer Croc, the chances are that it means the exact same villain lineup from RIP: Hurt and the Joker, now both working against the new Batman. Dick and Damian are soon running out of chances to make mistakes in the showdown with Hurt. This may be the last.
Symbols and Signs
We know from ROBW #4 that Alan Wayne deliberately drew a bat into the gardens around Wayne Manor in order to mark the location of the casket for when the man in black (Bruce Wayne, not Johnny Cash) returned. As the panel at right makes clear, he also built the outline of a bat into the Wayne Manor library, which is a room of great importance to the story. Various features of this room, such as the portrait of Thomas and Martha Wayne, have been in the background of several recent installments in this story, telling us that this is not only the room where Dick (in B&R #10) and Bruce (in Batman #701) press the three roses to enter the hidden room. It is also where Solomon Wayne posed for his portrait. More important, it is the location where Doctor Hurt will shoot Dick Grayson.
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It is almost directly behind Dick's head in the panel depicting his shooting. Black fragments in the air may tell us something about the physics of the gunshot. In ROBW #4, Old Thomas Wayne refers to statues. We haven't seen plural statues of significance in the story yet -- just the one of Barbatos under the Manor. Is this horse figure another statue in the set to which OTW refers? It's not required that the horsehead will come to mean anything, or if so that its meaning would be more than a throwaway. But it certainly does keep surfacing.
Changing Faces
During the run of RIP, I looked for clues in the original appearance of John Mayhew in World's Finest #89. Mayhew has very little dialogue in that issue, and what he does say is banal. What I found striking was how utterly his appearance had been transformed. In Mayhew's first appearance (almost exactly 50 years before his second), the great Curt Swan drew him as a man showing the gray hair of his age and some excess weight, not unlike Perry White. In Grant Morrison's "Club of Heroes" story, Mayhew looks much younger (though he's "almost sixty"). To the point, he looks near enough like Thomas Wayne. Probably more like Thomas Wayne than is coincidence. But why?
Even before Doctor Hurt told us that he had broken Bruce's mind with "carefully prepared scenarios", it seemed as though Mayhew's murderous attack on the Club of Heroes was designed, perhaps, not so much to succeed as to prey on Bruce's worries. He told Tim Drake that he decided to attend that reunion because he always wondered "what eccentric men who have everything do when they get bored." And knowing Hurt's larger scheme, we can ask, was Bruce's curiosity planted so that Mayhew, resembling Bruce's own father, supplied a completely repugnant answer: that men like Thomas Wayne can turn to murder and evil when they get bored. And with Morrison asking his artists to retool Mayhew into a Thomas Wayne lookalike, Mayhew becomes a plausible alternate version of Thomas Wayne, one whose activities were set up by Hurt in order to help split Bruce's mind with the thought that his good father, the parent whose death Bruce's mission is meant to avenge, was not a good man at all?
There are other lines throughout Morrison's run that support this conjecture, such as when Bruce describes Thomas to Damian as "a good man", "a doctor". But all of these lines are filled with many-way ambiguity. Bruce himself is an "eccentric man who has everything". And the equation between doctors and good men can also read as an ironic take on Hurt, maybe even explaining why Bruce trusted himself in Doctor Hurt's isolation experiment in the first place.
It's to the credit of Morrison's run that such ambiguity works and adds life to the reading even without point-by-point confirmation of any of these possibilities. But I raise this topic now, and explore some of its branching paths, to posit another reason for the "total makeover" of John Mayhew: Maybe the opening scenes of Batman and Robin #13 show John Mayhew and his wife Dorothy Lamarr and how he "had her killed" (Batman #669). Excepting that the part of the hair is on the other side, the "evil Thomas" is quite credibly Mayhew -- he looks like Mayhew and does something that we know Mayhew did. There is an important omission, though -- previous tellings of Mayhew's story have never included a son. And, there would have to be a villain of cosmic grandeur pulling the strings for Mayhew's family to have seen Zorro on the night of their "mugging" and for his son to have fenced at the air just as Bruce did. If such a boy existed, then he was a sort of alternate Bruce who was cut down in his youth.
There isn't enough to conclude that the "evil Thomas" we saw was actually Mayhew, but the commonalities run deep and are part of the larger "couples plot" that has continually resurfaced in alternate versions. One common element is that the man in the couple sees to the murder of his wife or lover. Count the instances of this, in truth and lies, in Morrison's Batman work:
1) The Joker planned to kill Harley Quinn in Batman #663
2) The "Bane Batman" Branca "killed his wife and kids" due to Hurt's manipulation
3) Flamingo killed his wife and children due to Hurt's manipulation
4) Mayhew killed his wife
5) Mangrove Pierce was framed for killing his lover, Mayhew's wife
6) According to the dossier and Hurt's lies, Bruce's father hired Chill to kill Martha
7) Oberon Sexton killed his wife
8) The "evil Thomas Wayne" seen in B&R #13 hired a man to kill his wife and son
9) Though it was for the purpose of saving her, Dick helped Batwoman overdose fatally in B&R #8-9
Why does this theme recur so often? Is it simply because it has high emotional charge, and needs no further explanation? Or is it something that Doctor Hurt is making to happen over and over again? Did, perhaps, Doctor Hurt's earlier incarnation as the older Thomas Wayne kill his wife? We may not get an answer. But as things turn back to the past in ROBW #5, it's useful to have the details of Mayhew's biography fresh in the memory.
Lady in Red
There's one other late character who has received a makeover. Martha Wayne has, perhaps, lighter hair in the portrait seen over the secret passageway than we've seen on her in the past. This is within the realm of colorists' variation (and Morrison's stories include a lot of unnatural hues... scenes that look as though they were lit by a strongly colored light). Martha's hair looked brown back in Batman #673. It was black in Batman #682. Maybe this isn't even Morrison's decision-making at work. But it is intriguing that Martha and Thomas may be, respectively, in red and black, as they did in the masquerade ball story in Detective #235. Old themes circle round again.
Hurt's Last Move
Doctor Hurt is yet to star in two or three upcoming issues of Batman and Robin, one issue of Batman, and one or two issues of Return of Bruce Wayne. The solicit for B&R #15 promises "the final confrontation with Doctor Hurt". Whether or not this tremendous character, perhaps Grant Morrison's greatest invention, is to be killed off, his motives and plans, and perhaps his origin, will be the prime focus of the three titles that Morrison is writing over the next several weeks.
My next post will be about this character in the context of the current story. We might re-ask the top question in comics from 2008 now and expect to see a different answer: Who is the Black Glove? On Thursday, I'll post on Doctor Hurt and his latest -- perhaps final -- plan.
Heh interesting with the Horsehead. Morrison's story is filled with references to new gods and whatnot really, but i personally despise the theory that Batman is Orion reborn and Hurt is Darkseid, enough about my rants tho!
ReplyDeleteI'd love to note that the #15 is titled: the Knight, Death and the Devil. To me this seems to imply that Joker in this incarnation is the devil himself. Remember when you had the theory that Joker's cure might be a kill code instead? Not to mention fans have noticed that Oberon Sexton's design is very much alike to Baron Gheddo, and Morrison has had Joker connected to loa gods before. :)
PS. Sorry if this isn't too much to ask, but thoughts on new Batman look and the new Inc info? I really hope Tim Drake is part of the Inc team, he really deserves it.
Drazar, great connection there with "knight" coming up. The three-paintings titles of #13-15 deserve more scrutiny. One of the three paintings appeared in the video in the Club of Heroes story.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if the two Orions are actually being linked. When Bruce mentions "the hunter's belt", he (via his utility belt) is being likened to the constellation, but not necessarily the New God who is nonetheless important enough to the story to appear on the last page of #701.
I haven't really thought yet about Batman, Inc. In my own thoughts about DCU cosmology, I always figured that Batman would want the mission to expand and would seize on other non-powered heros as potential recruits. In the pre-1964 Batman titles, those were the Club of Heroes. In the post-JLA DCU, I would see Green Arrow front and center in that, and I might write Batman pushing for this guy to be in the JLA while some of the mighty godlike heroes would be saying, "Hey, let's not water things down with a mere archer." I see this as a similar idea but with Batman's sandbox, because GA isn't his "property".
I've certainly been wrong about this before, but given Morrison's emphasis on keeping things "physical" and also the "ultimate Batman story" I sort of doubt Orion will factor into the Batman story meaningfully.
ReplyDeleteGreat read as always. Supremely pumped to see how this arc plays out.
I doubt that Bruce is just being connected to the Orion constellation - the eclipse is the symbol on Orion's helmet after all.
ReplyDeleteAnd The Devil in The Knight, Death and the Devil is pretty clearly Hurt - the Joker's Death.
The Joker has been metaphorically in league with Death at least since 663, when he Morse-code blinked "h.a.h.a.d.e.a.t.h." in response to Bruce's interrogation.
ReplyDeleteGood stuff, Rikdad, especially regarding the Mayhew stuff. I think an important consideration about what "what eccentric men who have everything do when they get bored" has to do with whether or not these men have children. Morrison's brought the point home time and again that adopting Dick saved Bruce, preventing him from going too far into the darkness at a time when he was relatively inexperienced. Applying the description to Bruce's father is interesting, but I'm not sure that Bruce's father was ever "eccentric", or that he would ever have gotten a chance to grow "bored". Then again, formulas like these are just ideas and don't have to be exact. Certainly the "bored" criterion would threaten Bruce (and "Doctor Hurt") if we allow "boredom" to mean "obsession" or "fixation".
I would really like to see John Mayhew and/or Mangrove Pierce being brought back into the story, for us long time readers since nearly the beginning of Morrison's run.
ReplyDeleteOrion...Couple's Plot...
ReplyDeleteDid everyone forget Bruce's affair with Orion's wife, Bekka?
She even compared Bruce to Orion!
I posted an analysis here
The Batman & Robin run always had an Alfred Hitchcock "Rebecca" vibe, with the creepy mansion and mysterious dead people.
I can't believe ia ccidently wrote Joker as the incarnation of devil when i clearly meant Death. :( Sorry lads!
ReplyDeleteLance, I agree ... I suspect that the two "Orion"s will not have a relationship... although it's hard to be sure. However, one angle that would be interesting would be if the fame of the constellation Orion had begun with Bruce's adventure 9,000 BC. It's the most identifiable constellation, and the figure's salient feature is his belt. It would be a great homage to Bruce -- without requiring any cosmic manipulation -- if this (real!) constellation was recognized as a depiction of Batman in the sky.
ReplyDeleteDAL, everything "Thomas Wayne" related should play out in ROBW #5. This issue is *certain* to be a major part of Morrison's take on the mythology.
ReplyDeleteWith all of Bruce's chronic concerns in the "Batman" run (Is there an ultimate enemy out there? What do rich men do when they are bored?) I long wondered if this was really a worry of Bruce's or something that Hurt planted. Hurt had the opportunity to ruin Thomas Wayne in Bruce's mind... but it seems that he didn't or couldn't do that. But at the end of RIP, it seems that he was trying to.
Rebecca,
ReplyDeleteYour take on Bruce and Orion makes sense, but I'm not sure that Morrison will acknowledge that story. He really chooses what other stories he acknowledges... it's not 100% certain to me that he even *read* Superman/Batman. That said, GM has acknowledged other recent comics (besides his own!) a lot more in B&R than in "Batman".
Speaking of constellations, we also have Sagittarius, shown in 701. I've seen people mention that it's the location of the super-massive black hole, similar to the black hole Darkseid left in Final Crisis, but I've never seen anyone mention that Barbatos is traditionally summoned when the sun is in Sagittarius.
ReplyDelete@Rikdad: You can read Japanese?
ReplyDelete...so you realize why I remember the "Torment" arc so vividly. [The one DC Universe character with my name is a #$%^&. Literally, it's her power]
BTW, you know the image that keeps appearing from Batman and Robin; of Bruce's Cowl found in the hidden chamber below the Batcave? There appears to be a well on the righthand corner, below the Cowl and the Eclipse. A Rebecca at the Well hint?
I thought the well was an artist error, but maybe it is something more?
Actually, I really can't see Morrison alluding to religion. The occult, yes, but Christian symbolism? IDK...
Joker's been associating himself with "Death" since forever, actually. In Morrison's own work, yes, since Arkham Asylum: A Serious House ... but Joker has been playing "Death" since the beginning, since Bob Kane described the Joker-toxin victims as "death-masks", "rictus grins" and had Joker's secret hideout located underneath a cemetery!
ReplyDeleteRebecca, I'll be learning more Japanese before the year is out, but I cracked your name with sneaky tricks like Google Translate.
ReplyDeleteThe S/B story was definitely memorable, but I think Morrison will ignore it.
"Rebecca" is a great movie. Manderley is clearly on a par with Wayne Manor. I can't fathom that Judith Anderson didn't win the Oscar.
The well has gotten my attention, particularly in that it does not exist in ROBW #3, at least not in the same form. (There is a blotch that may be the hole, without the built-up wall.) Also, the boots and belt disappeared. It sure does seem likely that it would have some significance. Maybe this is where Hurt has Damian put his hand on the evil Bible during the eclipse. Remember, Joshua Wayne's portrait shows the sun (or something!) shining down there. So that could be the eclipse vista instead of the library.
@Rikdad:
ReplyDeleteEclipses, hidden wells, demons....
Why am I reminded of The Ring?
Just watch, evil Thomas Wayne's body is stuffed in the well and Damian must properly bury it to remove a curse. Or something.
Are you learning Japanese at a University? Don't pass up other languages. As a halfbreed I must admit it's not very user-friendly and most Japanese speak English anyway. I can hold a conversation in Lebanese and I find it way more useful, business-wise. [lol, flirting with rich investors]
Back to Batman:
I think I found another Orion link.
On the “Batman” 1989 there's a song called “The Arms of Orion”
- "In the heart of a sleepless moon"
"I'll be with you forever"
"This is my destiny"
"'Till my life is through"
Morrison did allude to Prince in an earlier Batman & Robin issue.
Rebecca, I would guess that Morrison enjoyed The Ring. I sure did.
ReplyDeleteI have a need to acquire some very limited ability to read Japanese for business purposes. It is far from keeping me from other languages; no worries there.
I wore the "Batman" soundtrack out, and definitely remember "Arms of Orion". Nice vocals from Sheena Easton. (First and likely last time she becomes topical to Batman.) I'm guessing that song is much further from Morrison's tastes than is The Ring.